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  New Boy The Book is Free For The Next 30 Days

  by The Bethelite in

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  for those of you that have not got my book new boy yet, it will be free for down load on amazon books.

  you can down load it on your kindle for the next 30 days at no cost.

  enjoy keith.

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  Good stuff Keith, will look into it but will pay. I'd hate to freeload like a JW hehe
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  Do you enjoy critical research ?

  by Introvert 2 in

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  2. entertainment

  question, are you open to and enjoy doing critical research ?.

  as a trades person with little education other than being a high school vocational graduate in machine shop tech.

  1980 and now a small business owner i find proper research to be essential.

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  Here's a good link from Time, fascinating for my blue collar brain : https://time.com/5673239/left-right-politics-origins/
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  Do you enjoy critical research ?

  by Introvert 2 in

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  question, are you open to and enjoy doing critical research ?.

  as a trades person with little education other than being a high school vocational graduate in machine shop tech.

  1980 and now a small business owner i find proper research to be essential.

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  Question, are you open to and enjoy doing critical research ?

  As a trades person with little education other than being a high school vocational graduate in machine shop tech. 1980 and now a small business owner I find proper research to be essential. Love to read and dig deep on any processes and or piece of machinery that can be useful to our endeavours. This and my manifold car motorcycle mountain bike projects and hobbies. Safe to say I'm hands on and have a thirst for knowledge.

  This very thirst for knowledge is how I became entangled with the Jehovahs Witnesses for close to ten years in my late thirties. And to be honest the few times in my life that I decided to forgo proper due diligence were the times I got taken in. I think this has to do with my trusting and somewhat gullible nature if I'm not attentive, so in my case research is imperative. A fool and his money soon part ways.

  Having being criticised often during my younger years for being quiet and more conservative than most probably contributed to the feelings of low self esteem I often felt then, so the few times I went with the crowd in the spirit of efficiency and wanting to fit in were my undoing in certain situations.

  Having read most material on Jehovahs Witnesses I can now see how I was manipulated and taken in. I find this applies to politics as well.

  I'd like to know the real reason people get so bent out of shape over here on this site for simply mentioning sources that can be counter to the majorities opinion and get labelled Left or Right ?

  After all this use of "Left" or "Right" seems to be a stopper and is used very much in the same way as the WT uses 'The World' or 'Those in Good Standing' etc. Black and white thinking common to cults.

  Enjoy !
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  Motivations for Watchtower leadership

  by GetMeOutofHere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve struggled for some time with this question.

  why would the elders, cos, branch committee, helpers to gb and the gb themselves devote their lives to progressing in the organization, if the whole thing is one big sham?

  i have 3 ideas so far.. 1) money.

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  Great thread ! I've read that Nathan Knorr once said that if he'd not wound up being in charge of the WT he would of seen himself as CEO of a large department store or something of the kind. He ran a tight ship with a view to expansion. Also was not sure of the 1975 promotion but he went along with it for thew sake of corporate growth.
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  Is Global Warming One of the Most Important Issues To You!

  by minimus in

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  just curious..

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  Living in the Québec Laurentians and being mid fifties I have witnessed a huge transformation in our climate. Rainstorms in winter, flooding and unprecedented heat waves. Reliance on AC and seasonal shifts.

  Urban sprawl in my area is unreal as well.

  So yes it's a concern of mine and I do my best to avoid being wasteful and recycle where I can. Mind you Québec is years behind the rest of the country in recycling glass, cardboard, plastics etc.
  

  It's seems it's all good until it's right in your own backyard.

  NIMBY
  
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  Money! How much did you "Contribute" To The WTB@TS When You Were A Member

  by The Bethelite in

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  i was in full time service for six years including bethel.

  once i got out of bethel, i figured i had already given them six of the best years of my life (ages 18-24) working as a slave/drone in their factory, so i rationalized that i had given them enough... so over the next 27 years i would say maybe $200 bucks is it.

  i think their whole "voluntary contributions" idea is biting them in the ass, because over all jehovah's witnesses are a cheap group people with a few exceptions.

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  50 a month at the hall I attended and two company cheques for 750 ea. for hall builds / renovations. 35 per convention and approx 20 each time I went to the assembly hall.

  I was in and active about 8 years, burned myself out ( easily manipulated )

  When I was full in in '00-'03 at my first hall up north in the Laurentians we were a young and dynamic group that bumped up the membership over 80 for a while. Their finances had never been so good. Eventually it dissipated and I'd guess at last half of us are now completely gone, faded DF or DA. Last I heard they are barely hanging on at 40 people.

  Try to control people and treat them like crap that's what you get..
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  Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  by Alex Williams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;.

  jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his kingdom promised by jehovah god.

  [and they came to life and ruled as kings with the christ+ for 1,000 years].

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  Here's a copy paste from Don Cameron :

  The basic approach "Captives of a Concept" takes is to compare two things about the Watchtower Society:
  
  (1) Their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 as explained in their book "God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached"
  (2) The organization's history that relates to their interpretation as explained in their book "Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom."
  
  "Captives of a Concept" doesn't try to show that their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 does not agree with the Bible. Rather, that it doesn't agree with what actually went on in the organization's history.
  
  The reason why it is so important to realize this fact is because the organization's claim to being "God's organization" today requires that their interpretation of Matthew 24:45-47 and their history agree with each other. But they don't agree.
  
  The reason why there are millions of Jehovah's Witnesses today is not because they all DID make the above comparison before they got baptized but rather because they all did NOT make it. The book refers to this fact as "The One Mistake All Jehovah's Witnesses Have Made."
  
  "Captives of a Concept" does not make this mistake. It very carefully makes the above comparison, which then makes it difficult to believe that God has ever had anything to do with the Watchtower Society.
  
  Once Raymond Franz finally made the above comparison (in 1979) He concluded the following: "It would be an insult to Christ Jesus to say that he selected the Society on the basis of what it had been teaching as of 1919."
  
  One would need to make the same comparison to appreciate why he felt that way.
  
  CaptivesOfaConcept.com
  
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  Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

  by Alex Williams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;.

  jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his kingdom promised by jehovah god.

  [and they came to life and ruled as kings with the christ+ for 1,000 years].

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  Alex, if you have a moment take a look at this or at the very least read the reviews. PS : As a convert I disassociated myself after 10 years in. The integrity and honesty I was looking for is simply not there, sorry.

  https://www.amazon.com/Captives-Concept-Anatomy-Illusion-Cameron/dp/1411622103#customerReviews

  Take care
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  Why Did You Stay In The JW Religion As Long As You Did?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  were you so indoctrinated that you just couldn’t leave?

  was it due to family pressure?

  was it your friendships that you didn’t want to lose?

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  ^^ Looks like the couple I studied with, love bombing central = racking pioneer hours with me. Good people but a little slow and so very brainwashed. The 'truth' is their life.
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  Shall I disassociate myself too? I’m the only one left now.

  by Theonlyoneleft in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please bear with me as this might be a long one,.

  the question above has been circulating my mind for a while and i’ve been wondering if there’s anyone that thought the same or done it.. we normally associate shunning and disassociation with jehovah’s witnesses that are normally baptised, but my situation is a reversed one.. i was a bible student that left a long time ago on my own free will, never shunned never ostracised by my jw’s siblings and their families.

  the years have passed and situations have arisen that has made me uncomfortable of the knowledge of particular outcomes within my siblings and families.. i’ve been thinking to stay away from my family( living in a different country ), as i don’t want to be preached on or feel out of touch and segregated by their opinions of me and my family.

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  A nuclear reaction is always good in the face of manipulators and impostors hehe !